Boerboel or presa General Chat

Discussion in 'Boerboel' started by dougs85, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. dougs85

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    Boerboel or presa

    I cant decide between these 2 breeds looking for advice a sort of pros and cons on each of them an ur opinion on what breed you would get??
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  3. Krusewalker

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    what attracts you to those sorts of breeds?
  4. dougs85

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    i have been reasearching both breed for about a year and a half, i have been looking for a dog wth great guarding instincts to protect me and my home.i have a friend who has a cane corso. i want to get a large guardian breed.
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    do you have experience of handling, and more crucially, training dogs to guard your home and family?

    what would be your plan for their development and upbringing?
  6. smokeybear

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    What do the breed clubs of both say?
  7. spockky boy

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    If you want a gaurding system, why not get a good alarm system fitted?

    Secondly do you know of highly experianced trainers in your area who can help you train your choosen breed correctly? And do you have the time to help continue training inbetween sessions?
  8. Tupacs2legs

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    im sorry... but thats no reason imo to bring a dog into a family home!..... id get an alarm system ;-)

    dogs should be pets first and foremost imo...i think u are asking for trouble if this is the reason you are getting a dog...let alone a large breed dog.
  9. Dooley

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    i wouldn`t recommend either breed to be honest usually because many end up going through rescue within the first year of their lives , due to people not realising what they are taking on , these type of breeds don`t always have the desired effect , i we`re victim of a break in at my home on saturday evening , my two mastiffs didn`t do a thing both have the complete run of my home i came home to bedlam my house we`re a complete wreak , my two dogs we`re still asleep in the conservatory where i left them that morning! shows how much of deterrant they actually we`re if folks want to get into you`re home they will do it regardless of the fact you may have big scary looking dogs!
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    Best protection dog I ever had was Jackjack my Lancashire heeler! He saw off two would be burglars for me! For a little dog he sure had a big bark and the heart of a lion!

    Big dogs tend to be soppy and would sleep through anything.. better to get a good small dog with a big bark!

    But I would say the same as others here and say... If you want a security system, get an alarm. If you want a dog as a part of your family that would also kick off a bit of a stink if someone broke in... Get a terrier
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    I'm also interested in both breeds but I'll warn you BOTH need early socialisation because some can become aggressive around 8 months.

    The fact that you've said you're looking for a large guardian will raise some eyebrows. I myself like to say "large companion" ;-)
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    He hasn't been back on since he posted this... Maybe he didn't get the answers he was orginally looking for?!
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    he was on back end of last year asking about bandogs and something else.

    my concern would be the dog would be targetted as people would think he either had a) something to hide b) thought he was super tough and needed teaching a lesson
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    Which makes him a quandry... Which is he I wonder? a responsible dog owner trying to do the right thing and find out as much as possible about the dog breeds they are interested in, a 'well'ard' idiot looking for a dog wot makes 'im look like a hardman or a troll just wanting to kick off a stink by posting something obviously controversial on a forum?
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    Shih tzus were originally temple guard dogs.No one expected them to do would be robbers any harm,their job was to wake up the mastiffs!
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    Tia still does this ..
    She warns the boys of approaching threat .Her threat level rise for cats,birds landing in the front garden ,or the postman..lol
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    a small yappy dog would be the best alarm, it can wake you up in the middle of the night, then you can get the Mrs to go and have a look. :grin:
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    Neither unless you are very experienced & have masses of time to train them. I know a lady who does Obedience with her Boerboel, she has done well because she has put so much time & effort into her dog. She doesn't recommend them as pets parsay, they are a breed that needs to be trained to do a job
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    first and foremost i am a responsible dog owner and would never get a dog to look hard i am not some chav, i am doing as much research as i can on both breeds as i can i do not plan on getting one at the moment i have the future in mind as i have 2 dogs at the mo. I know all about they need early socialization and can be tough to train. I do have a few dog trainers in my area and i would definetley give the dog the time and training that it needs. I feel i am being judged because the few posts that i have posted on here are usually about bull breeds, mastiffs, bandoggs etc. just because i admire these type of dogs doesnt mean i am some idiot thats trying to look hard or has something to hide. I would say i am expericed with dogs, i have had gsd's, labradors, staffies and a rottie. As i said before all i am doing is researching and all i wanted to know is what are the differences between the 2 breeds
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    I personally wouldn't get a dog to guard my house, but I am glad that you are doing your research. I am no expert but growing up in south africa, I knew a number of boerboels and they were all great dogs, but as has been said before, they do require a lot of extra training. My brother and his partner took one on and put a lot of time and effort into her and it just wasn't enough. She's now with my parents who are retired and able to spend a lot more time and training with her - it has paid off though. :)



    I am so sorry to hear of your break in Dooley. You are right, my parents live in South Africa and have 2 Boerboels and they are wonderful dogs, big softies! My parents were burgled by 3 armed men who were caught out by a neighbour, but the dogs were asleep in the 'sun room' which is like a conservatory really. They too had run of the house. And they didn't bother!! They didn't bother either when the armed security company turned up! :roll:

    'yappy' dogs do have a better effect.

    Good luck with it all. :)
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    Like has been said by many already you really do need to think long and hard before deciding on getting one - unfortunately many don't so the dogs end up in rescue.

    Some things to consider:

    • Many insurance companies have added these breeds to their exclusion list - can you afford vet bills without insurance? They are large breeds so costs are usually much higher. For example, my dog (a Presa) has had a steel plate put in his knee (cost over £2,000) and is epileptic so requires a larger dose of meds (than say a smaller dog) £30 a month - and also has check ups every 7 months.
    • Other dogs - while you may do everything in your power to make your dog well socialised, what happens if some idiots dog attacks yours and your dog responds? Unfortunately people will be quick to blame your 'big bad dog' even if it wasn't his fault. And I can tell you there are a LOT of idiot dog owners who walk their dogs on the streets and in parks. So if you don't have a private area to walk your dog it's something to bear in mind.
    • These dogs are dominant breeds - they need constant training (and I don't mean 'firm') you need to make sure they know their boundaries (via training). If you don't they will take the lead - which is never a good thing for a dog.
    • Strength - they are VERY strong. Imagine walking past another dog on a narrow path and they decide they don't like each other!
    • Physical and mental stimulation - same with most dogs really, but on top of the usual, they love to chew things - so make sure they don't get hold of anything toxic.

    Aside from that, and while I can't talk for other breeds, Rocky is quite territorial - so yes, he is a fantastic watch dog. Any noise and he will want to investigate. He will also not tolerate strangers in the house unless he knows you (as their owner) are ok with them.

    My biggest gripe is other dogs and breed prejudice - I've always worried he'd get into a fight even though he is very well socialised and loves other dogs, if anything did happen - people would be quick to point the finger of blame on him, even though he wouldn't be to blame.
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