CH FT CH on pedigree Working Dogs

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  1. Baileys Blind

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    CH FT CH on pedigree

    Just been googling some of Lily's ancestors and 5 generations back it says CH FT CH Ginger Imp of Rowston, on googling it I found several threads that said a Working Cocker has never become a Field Trial, Champion of Champions??

    Just wondering if it's true ??? :017:
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  3. smokeybear

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    There is no such thing as a Champion of Champions.

    A FT Ch means the dog has won two Open stakes in Field Trials.

    A Ch means the dog has become a Show Champion with the addition of either the Show Working Gundog Certificate or a FT award to change its title from a Sh Ch to a Ch.

    Probably the most famous breeder and trialler of Cocker Spaniels is Ian Openshaw of Rytex fame.

    He has bred several FT Ch

    A dog can be a Ch AND a FT Ch (known as a dual Champion)

    An example I can think of is Sh Ch and WT Ch Benreeda Wolfgang of Jacinto CDex UDex WDex TDex PDex

    http://www.rytexgundogs.com/our_dogs.htm
  4. Jet&Copper

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    Hmmmm as far as I'm aware there isn't such a title? At least I've never heard of it in connection to Field Trials? Could be wrong tho!!

    ETA dammit SB let someone else know things for once :lol: :005:
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    Oooooooooooooooops sorry, been out for hours, and just got onto the Tinternet................. :)
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    Peter Jones with Maessyderwynn lines aren't bad either.
    Got lots on the dog side of my cockers pedigree.
    I feel I could be wasting him just doing agility, but I don't feel I have experience or facilities to do gundog to any high standard
  7. Jet&Copper

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    Hehe ok dammit BB you could have posted that an hour ago lol :mrgreen:
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    Lily's got a lot of the same in her pedigree too, I have no idea really in practice of gun dog training but I'm gonna give it a whirl and see how we go, I'll probably let Lily down but hey ho :)

    Sorry :blush: But I was replying to a PM which got me started looking at it in the first place :016:
  9. Jet&Copper

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    and Danderw Druid :grin:
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    Teehee have I got you interested now? I love looking at the different dogs in the lines :grin:

    Mine have a good few different Maesydderwen dogs too :grin:
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    Found a piccie of her grandpa :lol:

    FT CH Maesydderwen Sorceror
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    :lol: be warned it's addictive!! I have pics of practically their entire 5 gen pedigrees! :005:
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    Grrrrrrr Thanks :100: :101:
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    Teehee!!

    Lily's maternal grandsire also sired FTCH Chewekey Twiggy - we should inform SB someone stole her dogs name :005:

    We often dogsit a WCS from Cheweky Gundogs - he is huuuuuge compared to my two!
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    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

    :):lol:
  16. Helen

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    Go for it. The least you will both have is FUN! :grin:

    Helen
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    She's nearly there, the club likes pups to be 5 months old to start, which she will be on 19th May - not that I'm counting the days or anything :lol:
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    I could be wrong here but I think the CH in front of FTCH Ginger Imp of Rowston is a misprint. To my knowledge there has not been a dual champion in cockers in recent history. The show lines and working lines are too far removed from each other for one and the same dog to be successful in field trials and the show ring. I think it has been achieved by pointers and setters but not by a spaniel. :grin:
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    Exciting! Not long to go now!

    Helen
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    That's what I found during my googling :lol: I was asking if it was true or not?? How do I find out??

    Nope, she's all booked in and I've got everything I need, just waiting now, patience isn't something I have in abundance for things like this :lol:
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    There's been plenty of dual champions in Welsh Springers in fact one was made up at WELKS last week to full champion.
    Ch Pennylock Quin.

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