Czech wolfdogs- who else loves them? General Chat

Hey there Malady

Would love to in the right circumstances.

I know you would, you have a passion for them, just like I do with Jaffacakes (did I say that out loud ?)

Did you say JAFFA CAKES!!!

sssSSSSHHHHHHHHH Woman ........ Jeez don't tell everyone

AT LAST...........common ground...jaffa cakes!!!!!!!!!!

Keep yer mitts OFF......... they're all mine :twisted:

However you can not guarantee what traits will be passed on so conceivably you could get offspring that inherit the worst traits of all the founding breeds. In time, and with careful breeding, some of these traits may be able to be bred out but to state you can take the points you like from a few breeds and combine them to create a breed that solely has the postitive traits is not accurate.

Oooooooohhh! Now you're talking!!

Not you aswell I shall have to hide them :twisted:

Oh I am sorry..didn't realise you lived with me and knew my dogs better..next time you see them Say hi

havent read all of the posts but I am not gonna sit by and have someone have a dig at me and my dogs..especially when they know nothing about me or my dogs

Unfortunatley Jaffa Cakes don't tend to last long in this house as my OH also has a liking for them (and you can so easily eat a whole pack in one go!).

Same here, anything chocolate doesnt last in this house because of him

This is going to sound terribly dumb and im sorry for it but could you own a wolf? I know it sounds dumb but i just wondered if you got hold of a new born wolf pup and brought it up as part of your household would you be able to train it and keep it like you would a domestic dog?
I apologise for the stupidity of the question but im just bein nosey

Depends Jem - I wouldn't unless I had acres and acres of safe enclosed land. I'm going to run away to hide in the mountains some place in America sometime as my other half wants to go back home soon in the future and you can bet I want to get involved with Wolves in someway - and Perhaps wolfdog rescue.

Kept as a domestic dog? no. As in an everyday Brit household type situation - Heck even my own dogs don't want to be kept as domestic dogs so I have no disillusions about wolves in regular houses etc lol.

I guess that there are people in the world that have, but it wouldn't really be fair on the wolf would it. They are a wild, pack animal. And in the UK you would have to keep it as a wild animal with a licence, like a zoo would. Still not fair on the wolf. I am sure that if it was possible, Shaun Ellis the wolfman would have a pet wolf and not an NI cross. As he hasn't got a pet wolf, there is a lot more to it than just bringing it up like a pet dog.

Yes, agree with the two above. They have apparently, had good success in Monty Sloan's Wolf Park in the States in socialising wolves but the procedure is very different from dogs in that they have to be hand reared from two weeks of age, before the onset of hazard avoidance behaviour. One of the major differences is that this occus in wolves at 19 days and in dogs, after 49 days.

I think they are beautiful! I looked into having one shipped to America before deciding on an NI. Please post some pics for us!!

The CWD was produced as the result of a Czech Government experiment back in the 50's. This was a 10 year experiment.
The GSD was used because of it's Guard/S.A.R. abilities. The Carpathian Wolf was used because of the wolf's ability to work silently as a team(pack)
The experiment was abandoned in the early 60's, but the CWD was still used and bred by the then Czech Army.
Unfortunately (for them) what they produced was a dog that was very people friendly but totally useless as a guard dog.
What I don't understand is all the hype and fear, 'Cry Wolf' yet the Wolf is possibly one of the most family oriented creatures on this planet. More so than most humans in many cases. Speaking of humans, I understand that we share all but .2% DNA with the Primates (Apes) The Dog shares all but .2% of DNA with wolves.
ALL our domestic dogs today originated from the wolf and if one wants to see Wolf behaviour without actually seeing a Wolf, then one only has to look at the Working BC. when it is herding.
If it is herding toward the Shepherd (Pack Leader) they operate assertively and positively. When herding AWAY from the shepherd, they constantly turn to look back toward him. Seeking guidance because it is not their natural instinct to drive the prey away.
The sheep are in fact prey, and it is STILL after all these centuries against their natural instinct to drive the prey AWAY form the pack leader.
So, the Wolf qualities are still alive and desired. If they were not then why would people admire them so.
At the end of the day, we all choose the breed that we want to share our lives with and end up by taking home the BEST dog in the world.

Hi I don't normally post on here - fear of being shouted at, lol. But as someone mentioned JAFFA CAKES - you have to pick the chocolate off to get to the orangey centre
Any way a good friend of mine on another forum is awaiting their CWD puppy next year (they dont live in the UK). Their enthusiasm and love for the breed show through. They posted for me a brief history of the breed, I have copied it to here so anyone with a genuine interest can see. Lets all remember that every breed of dog originally came from the wolf, and not every breed was a necessity when they were first introduced. I mean in probably a hundred years time another new breed will be created and everyone will jump on that band wagon too, as with those that were created a hundred years prior to now.

With the Czech Wolfdog, the original goal was to produce dogs for military work on the borders. They wanted to make the German shepherd stronger and more agile and resistant. They managed to do that (for example, one of the work trials for Czechoslovakian wolfdog is the 100 km endurance exam, the distance is about 63 miles, which is not a walk in the park…)
About CWD story, the first attempt to breed a Carpatian wolf female and a Working German Shepherd male was in 1955. The lineage of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs can be traced back to a female wolf called Brita. She had six puppies with a male German Shepherd called Kurt z Vaclavky , and five puppies with another male German Shepherd, Cézar z Bøezového háje:


Two female and one male among those pups where used for breeding.

In the same period they used a male Carpatian wolf, Argo, to create another line for breeding.

New wolf blood was threw into the mix around 1975, with another male European wolf calle Sarik. In CWD pedigrees there are two of his offspring, a male and a female.


From an inbreeding on Sarik, Rep z Pohranieni Straze was born, he also had the blood of Brita in his pedigree:

He is present in every CWD pedigree too. He had numerous offsprings, some of them used for breeding.

In 1983 there was another mix with wolf blood, they used a female European wolf called Lejdi.


Anyway, as I said somewhere else, on the paper CWDs are more dogs than wolves. The percentage of wolf blood is stabilized around 30% (one third wolf), so they are low content wolfdogs, but they breed for wolfish looks, so some of them look more like wolves than some F1 would (F1 are 50% without any selective breeding behind, look at Kazan for example, he was a first generation and he looked like a GDS). For a long time the breeding was based on looks, so the temperament was a bit neglected (with the looks of the wolf also came a wolfish behavior), but the recent generations seem to have better character than the older ones.

Ok now don't shout or I wont bring Jaffa cakes next time, lol.

that is a really interesting post -- thank you Traci

yes make good reading