Incontinence Questions

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  1. Arachnid

    Arachnid New Member

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    Incontinence

    I have a 5 year old spayed Weimeraner bitch who has suddenly become incontinent nearly always at night. She was treated with antibiotics for a week for an infection which didn't work and then with incurin for two weeks which also had no effect. The vet didn't advise any increase in dose or any other type of tablets but for an appointment for blood samples and a scan. My dog doesn't appear to have any other symptoms and seems otherwise normal. Do you think the vet should have tried an increased dosage of incurin or tried propalin which I have read can help before taking these steps?
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  3. CaroleC

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    Hi Colin, welcome to the forum.
    I don't know whether I have any useful advice, but this is our journey.
    My girl lived in kennels till she was six, and was spayed just before coming here, two years ago. Of course, she wasn't house-trained, and it was only when she was still wetting at night after six months that we began to suspect that there might be something wrong. Our vet gave her Propalin, and we began to set an alarm for 3.45am, which did reduce the frequency of accidents. Last summer she went clear for 4 months - we thought we were winning, and began to taper off the Propalin.
    By September 2016, we were back to about five accidents a month. We had full blood and urine samples tested, all clear, - though her urine is a little dilute. We were given more Propalin - but there was not a dramatic improvement. I tried almost every alternative product, some helped a little, some not at all. Back to the vet, who was confident that Incurin would work, but she actually went much worse. By day 24, she looked as if she was coming into season, and was wetting every night. The vet has proposed an operation to reposition her urethra, which is said to have around a 60% success rate. I am still considering this.
    In the meantime, she still goes out at 3.45am. She sleeps on Vetbed over towels, which are easily dealt with it she has an overflow. She has a herbal product from csj called Hold It!, (brilliant reviews on the csj website), and eight drops of a herbal tincture called Phytopet Dry at night. She also has an Evening Primrose capsule in her lunch, (she is 13.5 K). She never leaks in the daytime, and does seem to be better in warm weather, but we still have an average of four wet towels a month, - sometimes just a leak, and sometimes a little more.
    I have run on a bit, hope some of this helps.
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  4. Andrew Mathison

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    Sadly, I believe that your bitch is suffering from a loss of certain hormones from Spaying. It can take some years after the operation to appear. She cannot help it. Generally, about 25% of spayed bitches suffer from such problems later.....
    Which is why I don't allow the operation at all, for me the risk is still too high.

    There are plenty of websites, look here:-

    http://www.theveterinaryexpert.com/...rinary-incontinence-in-the-female-dog-part-1/

    Where you can read:-
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    It has not been proven that neutering before a first season causes urinary incontinence. The incidence of urinary incontinence in neutered females is reported between 5% to 20%. Neutered females are approximately 8 times more likely to develop urinary incontinence than bitches who haven’t been neutered. Dogs heavier than 15kg bodyweight are 7 times more likely to become incontinent following neutering than dogs less than 15kg.
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    The only other possible reason that I have experienced, is a lack of acid in the diet, causing the urine to form tiny crystals that irritate the bladder, even to the point of needing antibiotics, but extra acid (I used Guardacid on my last bitch (not spayed!) and cured the problem completely, by feeding her 6 tablets with her 3 small meals a day....
    You need litmus papers to test and verify that the urine is neutral, not acidic or alkaline that is.....
  5. Innocence

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    Hello Colin,
    Welcome to Breedia. ;)
    Sorry to hear about you Weimaraner. I don't think I have any useful advice to give really as your vet has done what she thought would solve the problem. I'm guessing the infection your dog was given antibiotics for was UTI. If you say that didn't solve the problem then the other things it could be are. Spinal cord disease and spay incontinence. As I think the spinal disease is very unlikely as the scan came up as normal. It must be spay incontinence or something else that is beyond my power to discover. I would look at consulting a specialist.
    I hope you solve the problem soon,:(
    Jane
    xx

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