Rottie baby puppy grizzlies Behaviour

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  1. Suejaw

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    Rottie baby puppy grizzlies

    Thats the best way I can explain it.
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    Hi Sue :) can you explain what you mean by 'grizzly' and 'temper tantrums' and exactly what you are doing/which bits you are touching when this happens.

    If you have a puppy which objects to being handled, in my experience this is usually down to pain or fear. So the first thing to do is try to pinpoint what you are doing/touching when the behaviour happens . Next I would want a vet check for sites which might be causing pain.

    . ....it shouldn't happen unless there is a problem, 'holding the puppy out' what does this mean holding it away from your body?
    If the puppy was handled/picked up incorrectly by children (it may even have been dropped ) this could have made her fearful of being picked up. Puppies should be lifted by placing an arm under the front legs and a hand under the bottom to take the weight then lifted very gently and held close to the body so it feels safe and secure. Unless children are taught to do this they can hold puppies awkwardly creating problems later on..
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    I agree with Minihaha and also, it may just be the way she is being picked up?
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    This was not the response I was expecting - Sorry should of made myself a little clearer, i'm looking for breed specific advice :)
    She has been to the vets and she is not in pain, there is nothing wrong with her I can assure you...
    It is very common in Rotties, especially youngsters to be grumbly.. Its the matter of dealing with it I was looking for..
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    really, I have never heard of this breed specific issue of very young puppies having 'temper tantrums'....is she 'bossy' at home? food guard etc?

    I do not think this is a breed specific issue, its a dog/puppy issue, but then I'm not a rottie expert.

    Wouldnt holding her out be a bit dangerous? and uncomfortable? maybe make things worse?

    RE; your last comment I think it sounds as though she is getting sore/stiff/uncomfortable as she has been held for a period of time and not just a few minutes?

    EDIT; you did say this is the ONLY time she gets like this so I think she is uncomfortable
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    Hi Sue :) why do you think this is 'a breed specific' issue.

    I reiterated I would say it is due to pain or fear and as you say you have eliminated pain that leaves fear/mishandling.

    You haven't answered my questions so I can't really try to help you further . I am not sure how old your puppy is but if you are 'holding it out' as in holding it away from your body and doing this with a heavy Rottie puppy who is already fearful about being held, you may make the situation worse.

    If you have a puppy with a problem this is something that needs addressing now before you have an adolescent Rottie with a serious handling problem.
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    I was about to say something but the OP has been edited ..
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    I have just noticed from the quote in Dobermann's reply in post 5 that post 4 had also been edited before I replied in post 6 so I was unable to address the points which were removed .

    Sue :) before you can start 'dealing with it' it is helpful to find the cause of the behaviour.

    The last puppy I had which 'grizzled' when picked up was checked by a vet who could find nothing wrong. I knew she hadn't been mishandled by her experienced breeder. She died aged 9 months with kidney failure.

    I am not saying there is anything physically wrong with your puppy just suggesting that if a puppy is trying to tell you something this should not be ignored or just attributed to 'breed specific temper tantrums and grizzling'.
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    I have heard about Rotties which don't like their paws being touched/held. In fact in a class I was helping out with, a rottie pup which had been coming for weeks, had no prior issue suddenly refused when his owner tried to check his paws as part of the handling exercise. Nothing medically wrong (to date anyway) and pup just decided that he didn't like it, so back to simple basics. Touch paw, treat, repeat. Lift paw, treat, repeat. Hold paw, treat, repeat. Build time, treat, repeat. Dog was fine again and as far as I know still is.
    This is just one example, I've heard of a few more, but not seen any others personally.
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    This is not a breed specific behaviour though,there are plenty of dogs who do not like their feet being touched or their ears etc. It is usually because they have not been handled sufficiently by breeders.
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    Sj :) I don't think a dislike of having paws touched is a breed specific problem. Many dogs have sensitive feet , some have a ticklish spot between their pads.

    I think the problem with this puppy related to it not liking being held/picked up but as the OP has edited out all the details from her posts this isn't very clear now.

    In a later edited post it was stated..
    ...it is not unusually for puppies to dislike being forced to be held particularly if they have been mishandled by children. We were told the breeder's children have been handling the puppy and the breeder suggests 'holding the puppy out' if it resists so this handling may the cause of the problem.

    Rather than forcing the puppy to be held against its will I would be teaching it being held is no big thing and a pleasurable experience. I would start by sitting on the floor and encouraging the puppy onto my knee with high value treats like pieces of chicken then gently putting my arms around it and giving lots of praise if the puppy complies.
    I would progress to picking the puppy up for a few seconds treat/praise but not forcing her to stay in my arms for any length of time .
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    Sue :) there is no criticism intended here, I just wish to make a point .
    Not wishing to labour the subject but I am quite concerned that the puppies of any breed should be routinely labelled as 'grumbly or having 'temper tantrums' . Rotties have frequently had a bad press and statements like this don't help. If any puppy from any breed behaved this way I would be looking at the temperament of the parents, the health of the puppy and how it has been raised and handled.
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    Totally agree :)
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    im confussed, if it wants to get down, why dont you just let it? are you in a place where it cant be put down when this happens?

    im sure i wouldnt like to be carried around and not put down when i asked.
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    I think it was being carried around to socialise as it is not fully vaccinated yet.
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    yes but maybe too much of a good thing....the dog sounds uncomfortable with too much carrying and needs a rest. Sometimes the risk of a tempremental rottie needs to be weighed up against the actual risk of disease IMO. They can be socialised without being carried to the point of being so uncomfortable, 'course I cant see the dog but sounds that way to me...at least very possible.

    PS think Minihaha has given great advice
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    Well, of the three I have owned never were! Never heard that one before.

    The breed is naturally dominant however and can sometimes object to you making them do things they don't want to, perhaps the pup just was fed up with being held? I could see how they could grumble whilst protesting about something they don't like ie: cutting nails, but training and correction would sort that out.

    Rotties can have a breed trait of 'talking' but this is a type of grumbly talk that they do when they are expressing pleasure, my bitch used to talk when getting stroked and petted, but it is quite distinct the difference between this and a growl.
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    trying to reply to this the best I can picking up from comments other people have left as most of the OP comments have gone.

    When Ruby was a pup she didnt like being handled (black labrador) hated her paws being touched & would squirm & wriggle to get free...ofcourse she would cry & squeal too.We used to pick her up wait a few seconds treat, praise & put her down. We did this with the paws too, touch treat, praise... We used to only carry her to take her round the block to get used to noises, surroundings etc even then we'd only be out for around 5-10 mins as she was a heavy lil madam :lol: Even now Ruby doesn't like her paws touched too much, the OH still touches them & treats now & shes 20 mths old.

    Sasi is 11 weeks old (NID) is another squealer :roll: She will quite happily be carried for around 5mins, but then its scratches & wriggles & PUT ME DOWN I WANNA PLAY :lol:

    I had them both checked over by the vet, there was no problems at all.

    I dont think you can say this is a breed specific trait.My 2 are totally different dogs, both with the same problem, both from very different backgrounds.

    Bev x
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    ........but with one common denominator....... ;)
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    :blush: :blush: :lol:

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