A gaggle (?) of Geese are much more equipt as an alarm system... and cheaper do, and provide eggs My family in Norfolk swear by them!
All the research in the world wont prepare you for full time ownership of a large breed of dog, maybe any breed of dog unless you really want the dog as part of the family and fully think things through such as commitments to things like walking and socialising the dog every day for possibly 15 years or so, arranging holidays such as getting someone responsible to come and feed and walk him or even taking them on hols with you, will you change your work commitments within the dogs lifetime etc.Lots and lots of especially the larger and strong willed breeds end up being given away or rescued especially within the first year or so.I personally think getting a pet is the priority and then secondary is whether you get one that also has some guarding traits etc.Good luck with whatever you do eventually get.
To the guy that asked the original question . Neither I have experience with the presa and own a boerboel. I can tell you that both are not for the inexperienced and demand a he'll of a lot of time effort and most importantly discipline. The boerboel will inevitably grow to be larger than a presa and usually finish up around 150 - 200lb Mark imagine the out of control. Get your self a jrt if your looking for something as they are great little alert dogs.and let you know when anything strange is going on..
Hi dougs85, I have never owned a Boerboel but I do own a Presa,I think you should have a look at some bloodlines Sanders,Barnican Bull to name a couple and see which ones you would like best,my bitch is Irema Curto and Casa Del. Talia has a very good defense drive and is also great with kids,around people and strangers,although ,like most guardian breeds and dogs in general they can sense what's a threat and what's not. First off you need to see the pups and watch them and pic the energy level best for your lifestyle once you have found the right pup and introduced yourselves you need to make a good bond and establish ranking,if your dog respects you and loves you it will be easy! My bitch was a very feisty and confident little pup,but with the right upbringing from a pup plenty of contact and socialisation,a lot of rough and tumble and always finishing your play with the dog in a submissive position,and a lot of physical contact with the dog so that they are confident when being touched in a certain place,this is also good for teaching them boundaries as they will try and see how far they can go like most pups I wouldnt really let them start play mouthing till a bit older and have learnt some basic obedience. Having a read up on some dog behaviours will help you a lot with the training. REMEMBER-Presa's are a fighting breed so you could encounter a bit of dog aggression,however my bitch is not dog aggressive and only tends to bark at other dogs if they are sending out a signal or barking at my pack.Their is one thing though,no doubt if another dog starts the presa will finish it..so it is important to have you wits about you with the breed as its always mastiff and bully breeds getting a bad rep, but my bitch is very placid,confident almost aloof at times lol but she is a cracking all round dog. I love the breed and the energy they give off in the right hands,my dog often practices hunting skills which is really impressive to watch. A lot of people here are answering your questions with abrupt questions and the thing is,they may all tell you to not get one of these dogs but i'm sure you will do so regardless of what some people on a website say,so why not give you some good advice to go away with If you have any more specific questions on the presa I am happy to help sorry I couldn't do so much with the Boerboel. TC
Im in the same boat as you doug85, I was planning on getting 2 Boer boel x Presa mix boy pup's, I talked to a few dog breeder's of the bandogge line's an I found 2 that did it before, so it's almost a set up thing when I'm ready, but this is for later on in this year, not immidiately now. - But I really love both breed's to a tee, Since I was 12 our old man was a bandogge, yet we werent told exactly what he was, he was a 140 pound's an solid muscle, he was my best friend an did his part as a family member more than anyone could ask for. He past away 3 year's ago. I got 2 pitbull's thinking that was what he was, an these boy's I got are very small for there age, an probably will only top out at 50 pound's, so I'm thinking my old man wasnt pitbull infiliated, which would be very hard to determine because alot of big dog's can loom the same, like the Japanese Tosa Inu can look like a Bullmastiff and Boer boel or a Pitbull could be mistaken for a American buldog or Staffy, just the same way a Cane corso could look like a Presa canario, when I looked around a year an a half ago, I saw the Cane corso, Presa canario an Boer boel. Some looked almost exactly like my old man. - I like these 2 boy's we got, but I dont think they might fill in the shoe's of who my old man was an accomplished, beside's these 2 boy's are for my uncle, more than for me. An these next 2 bro's are more for me. - I too, had did alot of reserch about there temperment's an feel that the cross, would make a dog of steel like my old man was, we never egged him on to being agressive it was just the experince in our live's that he reacted to, on a rightious path of him bringing down a few burglar's an thive's that were unwelcomed in our home, which made me a stronger person all around. - An it's not I want to get a badass dog, that's far from it. It's just I want a dog that will resemble the legend of my old man. An will deliver and perform as well. Of course the main thing is not a dog but a succsessor an ultimately making them a part of my family, not just a job title. - But I agree, you shouldent get a big dog unless your up for some good oh dominace issue's, but I dissagree with alot of people here, by saying you absolutely have to have had experince..., how is that possible? You have to shoot a gun your self at some point if you want to be in lawinforcement's like cop's an so, not everything has training wheel's on it, beside's you should alway's get them as pup's so there's a complete trust an bond between you and your family. - I'm not saying ney to the shelter'd old dog's they really need help too, but if its my way I would want it from 7 to 10 week old pup's, that way they are prone to my kid's, an not the other way around. But it really matter's in what you put into the dog, I would never intentionally want my dog to hurt someone, but having a dog that can hold his ground with a burglar is alot better than havinga dog that will propbably be put in the ground, for having no self defence. - But that's a completely different story, but anyway's good luck mate.
Thanks for the most recent positive replies I hav bn researching the presa for the last 3 years I find it difdicult to get hold of any books on the boerboel I won't b getting the new pup for a few years yet as I already have 2 dogs at the mo but I will continue to research both breeds in the meantime thanks again folks.
Oh, you have 2 at the moment, what breed's? - The guy on page 2 name Azz, pretty much summed it up, for me. Alot of the other's are being pretty ignorant, if someone does say you have to think it over, that should be noted, but people shouldent press the issue, for we should all be adult's on here, am I right? - Unless we are a bunch of 14 year old's asking advice, which should be more asking there parent's not a forum. - But again, if your an adult then nobody really should be going in blind folded, not with the data of dog's you use to have to find by breeder's or book's, the internet has there temperment's, an a few time's should be all you need to learn of your situation your getting into. - Azz also mentioned, people like to point finger's, this is the real reason why people are being so ignorant, they of course has to be sociallized, but to much socializing an he will lose his breed's standrad which is to guard and protect. The breed has a big influence, yet again it will only depend on you as well correcting what is only needed, not going over board an socializing with every shady person you meet. - I'd like it to be the Hawaiian way an have my boy's be all Aloha of course, yet when I do get them being it's 2 of a Boer boel x Presa canario, you know a standard of both can reach a 160 pound's of pure intimidation? lol I think it would be better if I make a 5-7 foot fence to be sure, Im not eliminating the social part, just being more smart about it, because any bandogge can do some damage, more than you might know, just playing rough at 140 pound's has to be supervised at an extent. But again, I'm not eiliminating the social part, they still will go to there secound house my anty's every week end an visiting the fam, they will to the beach, tmoatian climbing, everything it's just you have to be smart about it, you cant take a dog that's prone for very certain temperment's an think he's just a ferindly little chiwawa lol No, they need basic supervising, which again if you start from pup's then you basically just have to be a good parent an they should turn out fine. - The reason why I wanted the Boer boel is because it's famed story of strictly guardian temperment, from the most A list predator's on earth in africa, that say's a lot if a dog who can kill a Hyena or leopard single handedly without the hunter using his gun, an what really is awesome about that breed, is it propbably has the most least amount of human casualtie's or biting human story's, ever for the big dog catagorie. Which all the info I read on them are all in the same fashion of the Boer boel, strictly being a Guardian type working dog more than a guard dog, there's a huge difference. - You can only find maybe 1-5 casualtie's in the Boer boel's intire exsistance, that's incredably awsome in term's of other breed's. Pitbull's, bulldog's, pei's, even lab's have a higher ratio rate of biting human's in the tens of thousand's, from adult's to kid's. Having that good temperment for kid's is all I need to say is needed, but I'm afraid of if the rumor's are true...that the Boer boel's in the state's has lost alot of there natrual game, an drive. That's where the Presa come's in. Presa canario's are still today one of the elite's an up there with the Dogo argintine as the best hunting an prey drive dog's. - I live in Hawaii where we hunt boar, so that's why I'd be to afraid of use-ing the standard beagle or even pitbull because it is not in there temperment an capabilitie's of understanding the baiting system. Where they would be foolish enough to blindingly attack an be attacked an killed by the boar. Dogo's, Presa's, Cane corso's have been soley bread for game animal's for hundred's of year's an they only take on the game animal if they feel they can, which often time's they do. Yet, they alert most of the time an wait for you, that's the key succsess in hunting, not just a super dog that can kill a boar or small bear, but having the smart's to defend themselve's as well as being physically cabable to perform an defend themselve's is what's prized. - Sorry for going off topic....but yeah, what breed's do you have now?
Really interesting stuff there I have a staff and a staff x at the mo I'm sure if u do a search and type snoop and mia u will find pics in here. Snoop is the brindle cross he's 6 and mia is the white and tan one she's 5 had them both sinve they were 8 weeks.
Cool, Though what's your living arangement's? - My Mom's place will be there primeary house for them to live at, yet they will be on the road with me as often as I can spend time with them, an probably be with me in sleep over's more often than not. My Mom's place is pretty huge for them to run around in, so just adding a fence would be choice, so all four can either sleep out side or in the house. - These 2 boy's I got, 1 is a pitbull/pei name Leo an one is a blue nose x red nose pitbull name Hachi. I was in a huge rush getting them for my uncle an house, because everyone was so depressed when my old man left us. But having 4 will be a challange for in the house, so that's another reason, the fenceing can allow all of them to just roam in our yard, an not be confined. - These 2 are in the house where probably they will stay, an Hachi is more of a shy an shaky dog, he more so cling's to the outside cat's while leo try's to killem XD Yet leo's only a few month's old an Hachi is around 1 year an 6 month's. He dosent quite fit the bill, he rather greet a stranger than listen to me, lol I dont mind, not every dog is suppose to be Krypto the super dog, but he will fit in more now that Leo's letting him know, hey stupid your a dog not a cat XD XD - But Hachi is a super freindly dog, yet I dought he would intimidate or warn off a stranger or burglar if they just waltz in maybe Leo might, But he's basically a pup. - But when were you getting the presa or Boer boel?
Wow, they really do look like staffy's, I'd say 40 pound's? - One of the guy's I talked too was on hoobly, he sent me pic's of his first litter, here they are... - No pic's of them as adult's yet, but there dad is one of the rare black Boer boel's straight out of south africa, yet I really dident dig into asking about paper's, which I must have or it's a no buy. - ^^^ Here would be the ideal boy Boer boel a well bred performance dog. I aint bragging but along with his well alibied story's of killing hyena's an leopard's in africa while protecting live stock, they have one of the hardest bite newton psi ever recorded on video, at around 540 or 550 which is on youtube, they claimed a kangal hit 700's but no proof I dought that, but 540 is way above the pitbull at only 237 on video, an 320 for rottweiler's you can see it on youtube just type in which dog has the hardest bite in the world there's 2 different video's, an the boerboel one, look's like a juvi with a slight mix in there, so I can see how they are able to tangle with a 170 pound leopard an come out on top...an let me tell you, a leopard is no joke to any animal. In alfred court's circus act a leopard killed a tiger, although a tiger would smash a leopard almost everytime one still pulled it off, so for a dog to kill a leopard is really astouding. - An here's the famous presa canario - At usually around 110- 140 pound's they are elite's in there temperment's job class, Rott weiler's are very good guard dog's, yet are pretty poor at hunting, Presa canario's are exellent at both, same with the Boer boel who can be as average as 140 pound's but can fly pass the 200 pound range, if you dont watch there diet's. - Again me getting them as crossed, I think will make the ultimate purpose guardian dog, not guard dog, the boer boel will even out the temperment to a calmer dog, yet the presa will revive a little of his gameness an of course they will be spoiled rotton with lugsury of vet check's, to live under a roof instead of a kennel, fun activety's all day every day, an a family that will love them forever an never abondin them. - Tootle's
powerfull dogs come with much responcibilities.iv been doing it for 30+ years.seen lots.you must do your home work and be prepaired for the worse,lives depend on it...simple.do you have a life long plan?,you will need one.and owning these dogs ,instantly they become a security alarm system.keep them safe and they will alert you, naturally anyway.heres mine friendly as they come...properly introduced.
I can assure you that there's no such thing as too much socialisation Rocky was extremely well socialised, and he loved people - but he would still discern the difference between a friend and a foe (former usually someone who you have introduced to him as a friend).
Huh? Staffy's powerful dog's? I wouldent go that far by saying powerful they can give you a good yank if your not watching, but staffy's aint catagorized as man stopper's. - Sure they can leave a nasty bite, but at 20-40 pound's they arnt really in any perdicument to be intimadating someone who is familiar an aware of dog stopping. - You also have to think of welfare of dog's you get, you have to know he'd be able to defend himself against an intruder human or animal. How many video's are there of burglar's just waltzing in an picking up people's average dog's, like their there own? Youtube has alot of them, they did a test about a year ago an aird it on youtube, setting up with the owner's leaving the house, an they set up camera's in the house an had a new's guy walk in with a suit, showing a few house dog's from lab's, boxer's, poodle's, chiwawa's, only one performed an it was less than medicore, while the other's greeted the burglar right into the house. - That's what I mean, I'd worry more about a smaller dog or a dog with a temperment that dosent incorperate gurading or guardian instinct's, sure people say, oh not my dog, not my dog, Huh! No, your dog too, an this is somthing you have to know for a fact, not by just egging him on but just raising him properly. - Again, I'm not saying the nay no, to other small or kind breed's, I like all dog's of all size's an temperment's, but a good power house dog is a better all around a-set to have, not get a dog just to alert an your neighbor's think's your dog is just irratating instead of them thinking, oh maybe they are getting robed. - If you read the older post, you would have not needed to repeat what everyone is saying, he said it was noted, though instead of being ignorant you should point out training classes, or alert the family member's also that they have to be socialized with them alot in order to be able to come over, of course your intermidiate family should never have a problem, because you'd be raising them as pup's or some sort of better advice than just pointing out you did it for 30+ year's, an which is what exactly? People who never owned a dog can still work with dog's for over 30+ year's or own a dog for less than 10 year's an give better advice than your giving, your not really saying be-careful, your just saying dont get one of those dog's in a parrying gesture. - I happen to defend working line dog's, for without them in older era's crime rate's would have been intriplicated, if not magnifyed by million's per year, along with hunting, you can bring 200 chiwawa's or 200 winnie dog's or 200 jack russel's an they still wont bring down the game animal, when all you needed was 1 or 2 of the hunting line dog's. - No one's saying, just buy them an egg them on to bite people, who's that stupid? All you have to do is guide them on the right path, it would be no different in teaching your kid's. It's a learning process, you wont know everything on day one, an even if you had dog's for 50+ year's any dog is unpredictable an might do somthing a 50+ afiliated person is not ready for, no one is mind in-tuned telepathically with dog's, they are just familiar with there own dog they have an shouldent speak for the whole breed, I dont think your a breeder to where you'd have to study the breed's attribute's an social patteren's by the whole breed it self, you know that's why breeder's study 100's of the same breed? Not just studying the individual dog's social live's, which sound's like what your doing.
To: Azz, - Huh? There is no such thing as to much socializing, you want a example? Okay - My anty's house, has a boy mastiff name makoa, he's pretty old now, but he stopped around 5 burglar's in his life time, an in pretty grusome way's, now my anty's nephew not releated to me, was at an extent allowed in because of my anty saying it's okay for so many time's, so makoa agknowledged him, an a long time ago maybe 6 year's ago, they had all there jewelry stolen, maybe a couple of grand worth along with there piggy bank, of a few grand, later in 2 weeks time one of the neighbor's kid's said they saw my anty's nephew go into the house last week when everyone was camping at the beach, an sure enough they checked the pawn shop found my anty's jewelry an asked for who sold it to them an Boom it was my anty Ana's chronic nephew. - I would absoultely only want my intermidiate family, mom, dad, uncle that live's with us, brother, his kid's an my kid's an there secound house my anty Ana's being this prime-ary complete socialzed people with, other than that I'll let other's have a greeting process but then I'll put them in the back or in there room, becase again to much socializing will take away what is needed. - I wouldent give a ****, if my boy's bit my other family like cousin's other uncle's what ever, they do not belong in my house an home unless I am aware of it. I have learned the hard way an had to much aloha to give, that's when people take advantage of your kindess an rip you off, I of course would never say get em boy...I'll inforce when I'm not home, You may not enter. Your misinterperting the allowence of socialness, my old man could give a high an than turned shoulder, but if I wasnet there, I'd know what he would do because it was tested again an again. An he was only doing his part as my family member.
I'm afraid if you had a dog like that in the UK ( where the OP is ) you wouldn't have the dog for very long as it would have been seized by the police and destroyed. The owner would also possibly end up in court.
- Where in the world would some one or anything be destroyed if they tresspassed on your property? The UK must be a stupid as **** place to live then, if people can just walk in your property by will, an not be prosecuted, here in the state's you'll be shot if you ever tresspassed an indangerd the family an it's stated by Law. - What make's you think my dog warning you off or attacking you, would be less dignifyed if I shot you in the face? It would be no different then any one of my family member's bashing your head in if you ever burglerized us while sleeping or any other time an being caught. - I dont know if you ment it as an insult, but either way the UK sound's pretty stupid to me.
Dear me, calm down for goodness sake, going on about shooting people in the face . I was simply pointing out that if a dog attacked an intruder in the manner you depicted then yes it could be destroyed, even if it was on your own property, especially if it was the same dog. There's really no need to be so aggressive in your posts.
Agree with all of your post! If you use more force than is deemed reasonable in defending yourself by the courts, you could also be done for assault. It is not only the UK that take this stance either. ;-)
