I wanted to restart this thread as all the mud slinging took the other thread off track. So say the founder breeds are GSD, Husky,Mal and an 'inuit type dog', what ever one of those is as the only inuits I know are people who are not happy about a dog breed being named after them. Back to the point, the three breeds we can recognise have at some point in the breeding had.............. hip dysplasia epilepsy heart and liver disease monochidsm osteochondritis dissecans and so the list could go on, so all these are problems that must be present in the NIDs, unless there was some heavenly intervention of course. Why is there two very young dogs on the NI society forum that have died in the last month? And why do the NID shows never hold a veterans class?