My male Frenchie is very large Questions

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  1. CaroleC

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    If this lady's standards are so high, why did she not warn you about breeding from unregistered stock, and using your male at such a young age?
    I'm sure that the French Bulldog Club of America (www.fbdca.org), will be disappointed to hear of your dismissal of the efforts they are making in an attempt to improve the health of FB's, - which you will realise has been subject to the considerable challenge of recent indiscriminate breeding. They maintain health registries for various conditions which affect FB's, and have even financially supported research In other breeds where those conditions could also affect Frenchies. In 2016, they arranged for the examination of 1300 FB's for copies of the HSF-4 gene, (cataract), and discovered that 24% of Frenchies carry at least one copy of this gene. These registers are not for prestige, they exist to enable breeders to make informed decisions in their choice of breeding partners.
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  3. Jkeighley

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    Its not the lady’s fault, it’s one hundred percent mine for not getting paperwork and I understand the concerns. We could’ve known the dam and sire if we opted to get paperwork when we got them. I agree that is completely my fault. It’s been a year an Give two weeks the paperwork will be sent over for the dam and sires of our dogs and 2 generations of grand parents. We will than know exactly who bred them. Was told they’re in different languages so I’m going to have to translate it all or something. Said they look completely different than paperwork over here in the United States.
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    You keep ignoring the comments about the very young age of the male your using as a stud. Nobody that truly cares about their specific breed would use such a young puppy as a stud. They would let that dog mature to two years of age before doing health tests. So you started breeding before having paperwork in hand and with an immature male who is very large according to breed standards. Are you breeding to try and improve your breed and to keep a pup for yourself or is this about money?
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    What a load of male cow excrement.

    Supplies surrounding towns police forces with their trained K9s from birth to a year old?

    Police dogs are NOT trained at a year old - it takes a lot longer than that.

    There is a police dog handler/trainer who lives very close to me, who trains GSDs after they have lived with families until they are about a year old. Like seeing eye puppies are. He then has them for full Police training.

    He is a police officer. A police dog handler/trainer.

    So your "trainer" supplies ["supplies" ?] all surrounding towns police forces with their trained K9s?

    Is that the vet tech? What a wonderful person she must be. NOT
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    When a reputable breeder sells a puppy one automatically gets a pedigree and you don’t pay extra, either you are very naïve or just in denial of the true facts, and what guarantee will you have that if you do receive a pedigree it will be genuine.

    I am still interested to know where you think she buys her litters from, and what kind of breeders they are.
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    Well I’ve talked to 3 small breed specialists, been to 2 different vets and to an emergency hospital. They’ve all told me the lady we bought them from know more about French bulldogs than them themselves. So it’s like where do I go than. Cause apparently you guys think this lady’s awful, and everywhere else says ask her she’s the pro. When we went to a specialist about getting a c-section (which she didn’t need even with 8 puppies, come to find out he’s the same specialist she uses when needed for health checks and blood work. I’ve called specialists in states surrounding me and they even know her very well. Every single person involved with French bulldogs in my region instantly knows her and loves her.
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    What about the male being so immature
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    I'm afraid this chap just doesn't get what it means to be a responsible breeder. That you have a duty to plan any mating based on the best possible prediction of outcome, taking into account the suitability of bloodlines, (which requires quite a bit of prior knowledge - or a good mentor), and the documentary proof of health status - not just, she checked the puppy over from top to toe.
    A good breeder will interview the future owners of their puppies, and often more than once.They will maintain accurate documentation, - how else can you know what genes your stock will carry? They will draw up a contract to be signed by both sides, usually stating that if the dog/puppy bred by them needs to be rehomed for any reason, the animal is to be returned to the breeder, and with registered stock, detailing the conditions of any endorsements, and whether they can be lifted after health testing. Being a breeder of pedigree dogs means keeping to the standards which generally apply in that world. Those that don't have very high standards in maintaining documents or monitoring the health and wefare status of their dogs are classed as backyard breeders.
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    Specialist tested him for fertility said he was fully fertile and matured very quickly. Started producing at 5 months, pretty much fully fertile at 8 months. Said we were good to use him, just recommended waiting till a year but said we can use him. Didn’t even need to really help them mate, he instantly got up and tied. I guess everyone in my area is of no help and are horrible mentors.
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    Fertility tests are not health tests.... jeez
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    Ok your skirting round in circles and still not answering direct questions.
    I have come to the conclusion that you are well aware where the puppies come from and that yourself is just another Backyard Breeder.
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    $$$$$$

    And it is not doing Breedia any favours by promoting back yard breeders and "fertile tests" [hello, how do test for that? You can not unless you use that dog as a stud and it throws healthy pups]

    I mean you have gone from a veterinary technician who trains police dogs now to a canine fertility expert?

    Heaven help me - this person seems to be intents to ruin Breedia.

    Got news for you Josh - you are not going to win.
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    Any paperwork can be forged, especially Kennel Club ones, so the paperwork your getting may not even be genuine and you will never know otherwise.
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    I'd like to know to know where you get your information from, because any dog is susceptible to health problems, no one can ever predict that, even experienced vets! And I'll tell you for a fact that Blues do not suffer, or are prone to more health related issues than any other FB's. So why come here for advice when you clearly know more than all of us put together? It disgusts me that people are continuing to contribute to these despicable specimens just for them to profit from mostly genuine and caring dogs lovers. I'm going to have to stop now and not read anymore of this rubbish because I'm starting to get angry!
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    Gareth - please calm down. It is obvious that a byb is messing us about and I really do not want you to be angry. You are far too nice for that.
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    Sorry, I don't mean any anger at the person posting and apologise to @Jkeighley if it seemed that way. It just frustrates me that innocent people are fed a load of bull (pardon the pun!) to sell and make money from animals that are unsourcednd may be very unwell. With the new owners not knowing what's wrong and left heartbroken by the sometimes devastating consequences of unscrupulous 'so called' breeders actions.

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