Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

We have had many threads about the NID and their origins etc. This is a friendly thread , so no arguments please! The question has been raised on a different thread, I am now curious as to what other people think. Do you think it is productive to add GSD blood to the existing NIDs? I think that there are some lovely , fine looking dogs that are NID x GSD but we are not talking looks alone. What are the benefits of such breeding , other than , a fine looking litter, which can also obviously be produced without crossing.........? Thoughts please.

Personally i dont think crossing NIs with GSD is going to achive anything other then creating more corss breeds with a high price tag. Outcrossing is a worthy idea in ALL breeds but would need to be done VERY carefully with only the best and healthiest (sp?) stock being used. The whole thing would need to be planned to within an inch and the offspring only going to homes aware of the programe.

In most of the cases i dont feel this is being carried out and it all just seems like a good way to make a bit of extra cash.

Agree with Razcox
It seems this breed is considered unhelthy because of the origonal breeding was not done well - so if it is not a careful breeding with health and DNA tests then there is no benifit
But when you are trying to improve a breed with the introduction of new blood you cannot charge a high price tag for the pet puppies that are not good enough to be kept in the breeding programme

If the pups are just designed for sale then they are not to improve the breeding stock of the breed but just to make money

I just feel it will all go the very same way as before,

money first, money second, third, forth, .........and on and on,.

Yep agree, very expensive mongrels , with even more health problems:?

Nes you are doing this purposely to have a dog at Marie, this thread should be closed because at the VERY least the parents of these dogs have decent hip scores!

is there a breeding plan in place from the person thats producing these x's

do they have a vision of what dogs they will use in the next few matings?

I don't know much about NIs, but isn't the GSD one of the dogs already in their original make-up? If that is correct, then I don't really see the point in crossing them with GSDs now. Unfortunately it is probably just another money making scheme. :-(

Given that NIs and the assorted variations on them are intended to be wolf lookalikes, I wouldn't see any benefits of adding today's GSD to the mix. It certainly wouldn't make them any more wolflike or healthy IMHO.

Mick

When I seen the pups I couldn't help but think that the breeder must have been pretty disappointed that the puppies all look very GSD.

I know that in the litter that I got my pup, the two puppies that looked like german shepherds were the last to find homes.

Yes there is a breeding plan in place and it involves a large number of breeders who are concerned about the past inbreeding of the NI. All stock being used is health tested and proven - with progeny also having been health tested in any outside stud dogs being used. The plan covers future breeding for the next three generations at least.

I don't think that there is any doubt that mistakes were made in the initial breeding of the NI and the dogs used were not the best quality - health not being a consideration. By using the breeds in the initial make up of the breed, but this time using quality dogs, shouldn't take the breed too far away from the look and temperament required - but breeding for health is our first concern.

Nes - stop digging at Marie and find another hobby. She isn't going to rise to your bait.

thanks for that info, will it be all NI bitches to GSD studs, or will you use gsd bitches with NI studs also,

As GSD were used Initally i dont really see the problem, the only thing i wouldnt like to see is more saddle Backed coloured dogs, although Colour is obvisley secondry to health

How strange! It tells me more about the kind of people wanting these types of dogs :-( If the breeder is "disappointed" that the pups look like GSDs then why the heck cross an NI with a GSD?!!! What are they hoping to get from the mating?

I think people who want these types of dogs are wanting the wolf look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the GSD, and sorry if that's how it sounded. I just believe that if the breeder wishes to be breeding wolfalike dogs they would be disappointed if the dogs didn't have this "look"?

I still think they would be better off using a BSD, more Wolfie than the GSD

but.........if you use, gsd x NI, you have a 50:50 chance that they will look like a gsd, some may look ni, some may look gsd, if your lucky you will get some in the middle,

Fair enough, but then they should leave GSDs out of it. After all, they don't have the "look" of a wolf.

you have a fair point there, depending on what dogs they used it would help with the reduction of the black saddle?

Mine is a purely laymans opinion. I'm just guessing what the breeders are after.