American Pit Bull Terrier Discussions

I don't think you understand what I have written at all, and also seem to think you know everything there is to know about blue staffs and can't be told anything, now what I am saying is there are some people who sell there dogs for a high price and they do not have the blue paul gene they are cross breeds

I agree with Laura,
There will always be irresponsible breeders that try and sell pups at a high price especially Blue staffords,which are common place now.
A blue is a dilute black,and the blue is also a recessive gene,the blue's in my opinion,have more health and allergy problems,both in the pitbull and staffordshire bull terrier.

are you a vet? the reason I ask is that my vet told me that "in general" irish staffs, blue or other wise, are less likely to fall ill to the general stafordshire health problems and are just an allround fitter dog. although he also added with the introduction of genetic tests that the staffy was returning to its former glory. as for the blue gene it may meen that your dog maybe more predisposed to skin probs it has NO conection with other health problems! also, while this is a pitbull thread, can I just point out that NO breed is more likely to be agressive that another breed. the pitbull is a friendly breed who are very loyal to there owner, therfore very easy to train! to easy unfortunaty, to easy to train to be a guard or attack dog! a great shame for a great breed! the only way to get to these idiots is to bring back a REAL dog licence! and enforce it!!!! just the way you would a gun licence! a dog in the wrong hands can be deadly!!!

sorry about the rant nissanmad, just quoting my vet. lol!

You are quite entitled to your opinion,just as i or anyone else is.
With the Help of the DNA tests from the AHT,we can now test our dogs,all responsible breeders are doing this,but alot of the blue staffords are poorly bred for colour alone without taking into consideration any other factors and without testing.I think in the last 15 years i have seen one, well bred blue stafford that came through very good lines.

I agree with you about aggressive dogs,I would love to meet a pitbull,i think they are fantastic looking dogs and if raised properly are no more dangerous than any other breed.

I'm a Staffie owner and lover (onto my third one now and have a few years experience with the breed). As much as I love Staffies and bull breeds I disagree that bull breeds are no more likely to be dog aggressive than other breeds.

Please remember that (unfortunately) Pit bulls and Staffies have been (were) bred for hundreds of years to be fighting dogs. They have be genetically engineered to be aggressive. IMHO to think otherwise is potentially very dangerous.

Now I'm not saying that all bull breeds are going to be dog dog aggressive. But I am saying that extra care must be taken to ensure that these dogs are well socialised with other dogs from an early age and to be aware, when they are around other dogs, that the potential is there.

JMHO

nissanmad you are contradicting yourself, quote you, There will always be irresponsible breeders that try and sell pups at a high price especially Blue staffords,which are common place now.

I think in the last 15 years i have seen one, well bred blue stafford that came through very good lines.

I have seen lots of blues in the last couple of years,poorly bred that resemble nothing like the breed they are supposed too.
Out of all these,I have seen ONE well bred blue stafford in 15 years,the rest have been poorly bred with no thought or testing done

Erm hang on a minute here. I never claim to know everything about any subject so please dont imply any different all I did was post what is common knowledge and common sense! I simply stated that the blue gene is present in SBTs you would not need to cross into anything to get the colour nor do you get "Fake" Staffords by crossing into other breeds you get a crossbreed.

You said:

"There are fake blue staffs what do have American pit bull terrier in them to get the blue colour."

I said why would any other breed NEED to be added to get the colour that is already present in Staffords?

Laura, If you would have just said why would any other breed NEED to be added to get the colour that is already present in Staffords? without comments like
Please tell me your kidding? and you cant get a "Fake Stafford" they are either staffords or they are not lol, then you would not have appeared so arrogant, it is not necessary.

I will add whatever comments I wish, and do not call me arrogant for stating the obvious and replying to a statement; you do not know me so dont assume I am anything (I certainly am not).

If you dont want replies to anything do not put something up publically it's very simple. This is an open forum people are free to reply to what they want in a manner they wish. You felt it okay to tell me I think I know everything and that I wont be told anything and you dont even know me so please dont start calling me arrogant!! Now what is wrong with telling you "you cant get a fake stafford either its a stafford or a cross". How is that arrogant? Its FACT.

Take a look a what ShaynLola has posted about fake staffs

I have just read that thread and there is no mention of a fake stafford.As Laura has pointed out,they are either staffords or cross breeds.
Why do you keep referring to them as "fake"?
Would you say a lab cross is a fake Lab?

Maybe a discussion thread should be opened about SBT ???

This is a thread about pitbulls.....

I like bull breed dogs, but the pitbull is one dog that has never floated my boat so to speak. I think they look angry, and id be a bit warey of one to be honest. I have a SBT x AB and he is divine and I can trust him 100% but then i suppose a pitbull owner could trust their dog 100% too. I doubt I would lean down to stroke a pitbull, but im not sure if thats coz im warey of them or if thats because i believe what im told about the breed.

Sorry this is just my personal opinion.

What happens is that the pit bull X stafford is not sold as a cross breed it is sold as a stafford the person selling the dog lies and tells the buyer its a stafford when it is not.

Then the owner has a crossbreed and thinks its a Stafford.

Well i'm afraid buyers should use basic common sense then,all buyers should see the necessary paperwork and registration certificates,if the breeders are not able to produce them,then they should walk away,but unfortunatly alot don't:-(

I think they're very attractive, statuesque dogs and it's a terrible shame they have got the reputation they have. Regardless of the UK DDA, we have a lot walking in public around my way and I find them to be very well behaved and obedient with their owners (usually gangland tough boys :-( ). I've often gone up and stroked them and chatted to the owners. (One of the advantages of being a middle aged white woman in London is that no one notices you any more and you can get away with soooo much more. Gangland boys wouldn't dream of being anything but polite to me 'cause I'm just like their mums :smt002 )

Hey teenytiny, if we all liked the same breeds (or anything else for that matter) it would be a pretty boring world.

I agree, I saw a pitbull in Nottingham a few weeks ago, a pup. I particularly like the ones in the links posted in this thread, think they're good-looking dogs.

I do apologise for not quoting "that pitbulls are banned". I missed this sentence out accidently,I know that your blue Irish Staffs are not banned and maybe your asked is your dog s a pit because most people have not seen the blue col.I had only heard of them so I was glad to see u r pics . .very nice and to me very unusual colouring.Sorry .

Why the big debate on x staff and fake because you purchase a dog that is not KC...We are all dog lovers c'mon,but I disagree that KC matters !My dog is 7yrs old and I bought her for£250.(ripped off says the k.c crew ha!)I could've paid £100.more for a KC'r.I think Tasha who is Irish staff is a better looking girl lets just say she's going old gracefully unlike the old type girl staffs they are overweight looking and tend to wobble.I 'm not interested in blood lines or the clubs rules After all the staffy is origianlly a small well known terr.crossed with a well known bull breed.God didn't create the breed man xed them .So maybe they liked their version but now the Irish version is preffered and the most common in my area.My bitch is broader is slightly taller and barks and guards my home!She is pure muscle and folk still think she's 1 yrs.old.The old type would rather lie in bed and let the house be broke into .ha..Tasha loves camping ,swimming in the lochs ,she runs and bounces and has great energy ,so I'll stick to elegant and proud and the kc.rs can have their bit of paper and their choice.Talking about pits I can never remember seeing a pit going for a dog but I'll never forget the site of my jkrussel hanging from a staffys mouth by the throat.I think pits are a better natured breed towards other dogs cause they're usually big nuggets(if scum would leave the breed to be big babies rather than a neds violent and dangerous weapon).I'd say there is breeds owned on this site that people are more frightened of', once again it's the PITS...