Ethical Breeders Charter General Chat

Discussion in 'General Dog Chat' started by Azz, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. CaroleC

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    Yes, as I think it does depend on how many bitches they keep - and how many people are wanting a puppy from that bloodline. I think one litter a year per bitch is more than enough - my girls were housedogs, and I used to take only 2, or possibly 3 litters in a lifetime (as in toydogs you might occasionally only get a very small litter). However, the motivation was to keep something in the ring, or to keep a line going, other folk could well have different ideas.

    Just spotted your reply Malka. Rather similar opinions aren't they?
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  3. GsdSlave

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    Ive known breeders who have bred back to back then give the bitch a year off.
    Lots of Ethical breeders are now putting a contract ‘Progeny not eligible for registration and requiring the purchaser to spay/neuter on pet quality dogs, which I think is a good idea.
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    What is the meaning "registered" in the UK? Does the puppy without registration in purebred litter don't get pedigree document at all?
    In FCI system every puppy in the litter will get pedigree documents. If the puppy has some major faults like broken tail, blue eyes etc. all it will be noted on the document and such puppy can't be breed farther.
    All other puppies can be breed if breeder didn't say otherwise when he sold the puppy (some type of contract).

    I also like the idea "to verify the ownership" and registered members should be able to complain about the link, but privately. For example, maybe breeder’s link is broken; it would help to clean bad links.
  5. Azz

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    Registering usual means being registered by the main registry in the country, so KC here in the UK and FCI in most of Europe.

    Good point regarding links... I have actually already built that in, where websites submitted will be checked once a week to make sure that they still contain the breedia verification code - if the code has been removed their website will be removed from the listing. If a website is down the code won't show either - so this will help keep our directory full of relevant links that actually go to a live site :)

    Cool huh? :lol:
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    I think it's good. But I'm not sure on the "weeks supply of food"
  7. Azz

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    Agree - removed :)
  8. Dienera

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    Most of the breeders will have some dificulty with adding verification code. As most of them use simple way to create their websites, they know as much as using word.
    So at least you will have to add tutorial, how to do it at all.
  9. Azz

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    There will be three ways to verify ownership of a site (we'll use the same methods Google does) - if anyone own's a website, they should be able to get it verified quite easily :)
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    When I was still breeding I allowed one litter per bitch every 18 to 24 months. That is about as often as my girls went into heat. It all depended on the condition of the bitch. Some were not bred as often as that. Also, I make it a point not to join any clubs...ever, although I have been invited to join several repeatedly. I am friendly with people who are members of different clubs. I have no use for club politics and clichés and secrets that may be detrimental to the breed.
  11. Tarimoor

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    How would you police this? I know ABS members who slip under the net with their supposed *good* breeding, including allowing stud dogs to sire not just one, but two litters to the same bitch who failed an eye test for HC. Pups were unregistered, so no paper trail.
  12. Azz

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    Unfortunately we won't be able to police it... but what we will be able to do, is 'force' breeders who want to register on the site to declare they are ethical breeders ;)

    As we will verify every single telephone number and every single website address that is added, breeder's who register won't be able to say that somebody else posted their listing :D

    This means that if there ever was a dispute, the buyer could go to the courts and challenge the breeder if they feel they did not act ethically. The courts can then decide whether the breeder acted as an ethical breeder or not.

    I feel this is the best way to protect buyers, by using and supporting the law.

    We will also add guidelines for buyers; such as:

    Only purchase from a house address
    Only contact the breeder through the listed numbers
    Make notes of all communications etc
    etc

    :)
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    I go well above the ABS recommendations and only breed when I want to keep back a bitch pup for myself, to be honest, when people find a good breeder and you get a name for it, you don't really need much advertising. My first litter I could have sold many times over, the litter I have planned with Rhuna I've had to stop taking names and she didn't take at her last season, but all the waiting list want to wait. I'm already getting enquiries about the ratbaggage brown thing for her planned litter in 2016. So I'm wondering how it will work, because word of mouth often travels quicker than *lists* of supposedly good breeders, and I include supposedly because both the KC and other websites listing breeders have no real way of policing breeders, even ABS members lie about what they're doing.
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    Yep, it's definitely difficult. That's why I think out system will be different, because (in this country at least) if someone misrepresents something they sell they buyer can take legal action. Even though we stipulate the minimum we expect of breeders, a judge could (after considering the case) interpret it in even stricter terms.

    I like that we put the focus on the law - as I think that is the best way to protect buyers, and if breeders are honest and ethical, they have nothing to worry about :)
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    I agree with the majority, disagree with some,even though the kc has the best of intentions for the welfare of dogs,they still fail in regards to some breeders /kennels show dogs,they allow some people to home up to 10 girls,1 or 2 studs,producing a lot of quality pups but don't meet the standards to show,these dogs end up getting rehomed, castrated,endorsements ect
    What's happend to having a dog as a pet
    From personal experience I tried buying a kc dog N the majority of sellers were in the show side of dogs, endorsements
    Contracts ect looks good on paper
    But most times they miss out on wats best for the dog
    A loving family home
    RANT OVER
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    Only one or two from a litter will be show quality, most pups are sold as companions, only the most suitable should be bred from so endorsements are one way for a breeder to try to ensure that is what happens. Having the endorsement does not make the dog any less suitable as a family pet.

    Should the pup grow into a good specimen of the breed and the owner is prepared to have relevant health checks done ect: some breeders will lift the endorsement.

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