Should pet shops ban breeders from advertising their puppies General Chat

OMG. Poor dogs.

Well I've nothing against scruffy houses or ladies of the night, but the gang activity sounds bad - I hope none of them get one of the pups to use as protection or as a weapon.

Just hope the poor things fall into kind hands.

Its not scuffy as dog scuffy (chewed door, wallpaper ie) its run down scruffy garden gate on ground, scrap cars/motorbikes in garden, no glass in kitchen door, window bordered up, that type of scruffy, with dogs mess everywhere.
Puppies been told look lot younger then advertised (can't tell on photos as look ball of fluff) but at least now the RSPCA is going to investigate (not sure when) as one of the pets at home staff saw breeder exchanging poster for new one & saw reduce for quick sale, so phoned up the RSPCA who said they send someone round to house to check on conditions of puppies.

I'd be amazed if the RSPCA would respond to a call from someone saying " price reduced " .

There's more than just the reduce price the state of the house/garden as a lot to do with it also, evidence from the photo's provides the state of the house/garden

They can't be very bright if they've put up a poster showing dog mess etc!

No I agree with you one of the adult dogs was photoed in garden amongst all the scrap vehicles, another photo shown 4 fur balls (puppies) in a concrete yard littered with dog mess, 3rd photo had 3 puppies plus another dog (looked like Border Collie) which was taken in Kitchen showing bordered up window & glass missing in door.

The first poster they put up a week ago the photo's were to dark to see the pups, but the new poster that they put up the photo's are very clear & well big turn off if I was thinking of buying one of the puppies.

What do you think the RSPCA is going to do, if those pups are well fed have access to water then the RSPCA can't do anything about them.

Because the owner lives in a bad are,and may or may not be a lady of the night, does that really mean she is unsuitable to own dogs ???

They may advise ( if they actually bother to go out) owner to clean up the yard, but they will have no power to take the pups, in fact they don't have any power to enter the house to begin with.

As long as the dogs have food and water the rspca won't do anything

Have no idea but the new dog laws came in force yesterday, giving more power to the police, dog wardens & RSPCA & SSPCA (think that's what Scottish one's called) they can enter without warrant & remove any animal that they think is living in poor conditions.

New dog laws been all over local news today, because dogs not allowed off leads & maximum of 6 dogs can only be walked by one person.
They are just giving advice & warnings out for next 3 weeks before they start to hand out fines & prison sentences.

I've never heard or read of this new law, could you please give link or tell which paper its written in .

WHAT!!!!

These could be local by-laws, like the Dog Control orders we have around here.. If so, I think they would be enforced by the Local Authority, using the Dog Warden service. This could be why it is has been on the Local news.

Think it was either Leicester or Coventry that was on news
Will try to find story for you

If local why include the SPCA ?

Is this it http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/you-need-know-walking-your-9340367
There is no mention of giving more power to the police, dog wardens & RSPCA & SSPCA being able to enter without warrant & remove any animal that they think is living in poor conditions.

Well the rspca are so effective a friend has been feeding a cat through the letterbox of a glass porch where the cat is locked in. The cat is emaciated, the rspca claim to have spoken to the owner and told the friend if they persist they will be referred on to the police. Meanwhile the cat still lives in what is about a 2 foot by 6foot glass porch with no food. Round of applause for the Rspca.

For the first time, police and local authorities will be able to demand that owners take action to prevent a dog attack or risk fine of up to £20,000.

If a complaint has been made about a dog to the council or police, its owners could be ordered to do any or all of the following:
*Attend dog training classes
*Muzzle the dog or require it to be on a lead in public
*Require the dog to be microchipped and/or neutered
*Repair fencing to prevent the dog leaving the property
A new manual will guide police forces and local authorities in the use of their new legal powers to prevent dog attacks.
It is aimed at dealing with dog-related incidents that are brought to the attention of the police in England and Wales.
These powers are broken down as follows:-
Community Protection Notice
What is it? Low-level notice issued to stop anti-social behaviour
Who can issue it? Police officers, Police Community Support Officers (if designated by Chief of Police), Local authority officers, Registered social landlords
What is the test? Behaviour has to be having a detrimental effect on the quality of life of those in the locality, be persistent or continuing in nature be unreasonable
Who can be issued with a CPN? An individual over the age of 16
Requirements before issuing a CPN? Issue a written warning giving reasonable time for the behaviour to stop
What happens upon breach? Officers can choose to issue a FPN (£100) or bring a prosecution for breach Breach is a criminal offence - £2500 fine / £20,000 fine for bodies
Can a CPN be appealed? Yes within 21 days of being issued
Example for CPN Test: In a residential street a person has two large dogs who persistently fails to control them, allowing the dogs to run loose on the estate. Neighbours are concerned at the distress and threat to safety of their cats. The neighbours do not think the chasing is playful (they have video footage) and fear the dogs will seriously injure or kill one or more cats soon. As a consequence, owners are keeping their cats indoors as much as possible. A verbal warning was issued to the dogs’ owner after complaints from several of the neighbours but their failure to control the dogs has continued. The situation meets the CPN threshold and provides the swiftest and most cost effective solution to the circumstances of this case (rather than making a complaint to the Magistrates Court, for example under the Dogs Act 1871).

Injunctions
What is it? For higher level incidents eg intimidation, attacks on incidents involving other animals
Who can apply for it? Police (including British Transport Police), Local authorities, Environment Agency and Natural Resources Body for Wales, Transport for London
What is the test? An individual has engaged or threatens to engage in anti-social behaviour, meaning: Conduct that has caused or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person. Conduct that has caused or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person.
Who can be issued with one? An individual over the age of 10
What can an Injunction do? Requirements to microchip/ neuter/muzzle/ keep dog on a lead. Attend training classes. Attend behavioural classes. Prohibit access to certain areas at certain times
Can an Injunction be appealed? Yes , over 18s to the High Court and under 18s to the Crown Court
Criminal Behaviour Order
What is it? Serious and continuing ASB with dogs. For example where dogs are used to intimidate people
How to apply? Only the prosecutor. Police/local authorities can request the prosecution to apply for the order
What is the test? Court must be satisfied that the individual has engaged in behaviour that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm, or distress AND That making the order will help prevent anti-social behaviour
Who can be issued with one? Anyone convicted of a criminal offence
What can a CBO do? Compulsory training. Limiting the dogs an individual can own. Prohibiting access to certain areas at specific times. Microchip/neuter/muzzle
How long does a CBO last? Under 18s: 1-3 years. Over 18s: Min of 2 years – indefinitely. The court can vary or discharge a CBO and for those under 18 years of age they can be reviewed
How is a CBO appealed? Youth/Magistrates court or crown court
Public Spaces Protection Orders
Purpose: An order to restrict persistent anti-social behaviour in a public space
Issued by: District, county, unitary authorities. London borough councils
Test? Activities carried out in a public place are having, have had or will have a detrimental effect on the quality of life of those in the locality
Details: Exclude dogs. Require faeces to be picked up. Dogs on lead. Restrict number of dogs walked by one person to only 6
How is a PSPO challenged? High Court within six weeks by an interested person